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Even with Pacelle (officially) gone, his enablers remain in firm control and a culture of secrecy and corruption still looms at the top of HSUS. Also, keep in mind that when Pacelle supposedly “left” the Fund for Animals, he still remained in control via his handpicked executive staff and board members. That dynamic still exists at HSUS with Mike Markarian, Holly Hazard, Heidi Prescott, Josh Balk and all the board members who voted to shut down the sexual harassment investigation and to keep Pacelle in place.

Wayne Pacelle’s misconduct at HSUS goes far beyond sexual harassment allegations. He has, as a matter of routine, lied about his accomplishments and used charitable resources to publicize false claims that elevated his stature and fostered the kind of hero worship that has been so pervasive. This put the women he interacted with at a tremendous disadvantage when considering whether or not to report inappropriate behavior. His fabricated victories enabled his predatory ways by attracting followers and by insulating him from accountability and exposure.

Pacelle generated tremendous publicity for himself when he announced a legislative deal with United Egg Producers, which he claimed would “outlaw battery cages nationwide.” In reality, that deal would have kept laying hens confined inside egg factory cages in perpetuity.

Facing litigation that included charges of bribery, money laundering, and obstruction of justice (a check signed by Pacelle was apparently used to pay a witness who had repeatedly lied under oath), HSUS settled a massive RICO lawsuit by paying the owners of Ringling Brothers Circus millions of dollars of charitable donations that should have been used to protect animals. That’s in addition to all the money in legal fees that were paid out. This use of charitable dollars – to cover the improper conduct of Pacelle and other executive staff – was not unlike the misuse of funds used to essentially buy the silence of women allegedly sexually harassed at HSUS.

Details here: https://www.hfa.org/pdf/Corruption-RICO_Lawsuit-HSUS.pdf

In the biggest blunder in animal rights history, Pacelle squandered over $10 million dollars on Proposition 2, the botched 2008 initiative that resulted in millions of laying hens being subjected to more than nine years (and counting) of preventable cage confinement. Nevertheless, Pacelle’s continuously repeated claim that he had “outlawed” battery cages in California has been his biggest claim to fame. Pacelle and the egg industry have now introduced yet another ballot initiative in California. This new initiative would declare battery cages legal in California for additional years and would forever allow the egg industry to provide hens with as little as one square foot of floor space per bird.

Details here: https://www.hfa.org/legalizing-california-battery-cages.html

None of the above would have been possible without the complicity of the HSUS executive staff and members of the board of directors. Just as Pacelle provided cover for Paul Shapiro, HSUS’s senior staff and board members have covered for Pacelle’s behavior. There needs to be a clean sweep.

This episode is an example (of many) why I’ll never join a vegan group, or engage in vegan activism. Every vegan group hates every other vegan group, and nobody is “pure enough.” I can’t stand to be around people like that.

great discussion gentleman!

Great Answer Bob: I am promoting your Radio Programs now at our new Meet Up Group in Richfield MN. It is called Richfield Vegans and we explain the importance of your Go Vegan Radio.com and Radio Bobby.com to all group repeatedly.
We will also stress the importance of the Weiner – Pelosi Campaign 2020 and to start wearing W-P Campaign Buttons and for People to donate all their hard earned cash immediately to this “vital ponzi scheme”.
I am telling our group to go down the street preparing People for W-P by screaming Weiner – Pelosi 2020 at every one they see. Think of all the votes we can mustard…I mean muster.
OK…I am only kidding about the W-P Campaign and Bob is an amazing talk show host and investigative reporter.

but if you say so often that animal agriculture is the first reason for climate change, and everyone stops eating cows today, are you going to blame all the cows tomorrow for climate problems and demand they all be slaughtered?! reasons why you should have honest podcasts.

Good article.

i would guess that, to add some perspective, isnt what happens is that your internet company has all your info now, so when there is a corporate change, should they just erase all the data? isnt google recording your history now, or do you know? not all search engines are the same. you should use companies from countries that dont have the death penalty, not your california facebook,google, youtube software conglomerates. why do you want to pay for the penetararies which are putting all the minorities in jails? but surveillance is wrong, whether you are a citizen or foreigner, although i think you should have a physical address. it is impossible to kill people online, only to hack and ruin their computers, although violence should be censored, which is why you should be sure to mark those grocery and fast food ads as inappropriate.

neat songs. is that beachboys. isnt beachboy vegan? never grow tired! keep brushing! my tooth broke. 🙁 lol.

collars and leashes? animal abuse! animal abuse! (you know a lot of non-city folk let animals roam free).(cities too, depending which military power you live under).

Very misleading the way you mixed talking about animal cell taking and the fully plant based impossible burger. Get real!

Excellent! Thank you!

well i like to try to write companies, if i am buying from them, and bring up the vegan message. its like the first thing i ask people. i think like a monastic kind of. i like to avoid violent confrontation. but you know ill #### you up if i have to, lol. im waiting for the world to change i hate it. i thought you all dont like the direct action people. should write more congress people, about eating at mcdonalds. 🙂

If one eats animals they have NO emotional intelligence. Has any none vegan asked a beautiful cow, lam, pig, horse, turkey, fish, if they want their heads, legs, wings, cut off and burnt on a fire…What For! Horses, elephants, giraffes, hippos, bulls, have the same FLAT teeth humans have and they eat a plant based diet. I haven’t eaten an animal in 40yrs, and vegan for 25yrs. Drs marvel and how high my protein is and quiz me on what I eat. It’s a no brainier. GO VEGAN! Would you want to be eaten by a higher form of life?

Bob glad you are back but few constructive criticisms, you sound like you’re inside a box, inside a car, inside a tunnel and are stuck repeating material from other shows about open philanthropy project, meatless mondays, bacon coupons, hoofin it, egg industry this, HSUS and Mercy for Animals that. Then often comes on Gary and it’s déjà vu, ground hogs day, all over again. Would love to hear some fresh stuff even if you just did a podcast once a month if that helps more material?

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I am just now seeing this thread for the first time. I was a microbiologist working with Merck and Co Inc who believed that vaccines were the greatest success of modern medicine — but that was based on what I was “taught” not my own critical thinking after looking for myself at the primary literature.
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I was a vegan BEFORE I became a mother, however, once I had children, doing what I believed best for THEM came before my concerns for other beings. So I looked into the vaccine issue solely to figure out what would be in the long term best interests of my children, and had nothing to do with the vegan issue itself.

But I do strongly believe in informed consent, and when I heard about some of the problems with vaccines, even though I was doubtful that they could be true….I spent a full year delving into the published science. This was before the interent, so I spent a lot of time at the medical library, on the phone with the CDC’s experts discussing the studies I was reading and frequently contacted my old microbiology professors to discuss what I was finding. I was shocked to not only find strong evidence, that vaccines were not as safe and effective as I had always been told, but that virtually every MD — and ALL my professors had absolutely no knowledge of troubling information I was finding at the medical library. It blew me away to discover that all these staunchly pro-vaccine experts were quite ignorant of important points that were published and very much changed the risk/benefit calculation.

PLEASE — no matter what your credentials — if you have not taken the time to really examine this issue from the PRIMARY literature (and for yourself!) and see what the truth really is — and then to talk with knowledgeable people who can explain in addition to this, how many studies have been manipulated by special interests, do not criticize those of us who have done this and are just trying to do what is best for our children!

If you really want to honestly look into this issue, look at the list that my name is linked to it is a great place to start — read the books and THEN look up their references for yourself — if you are open and honest, you will see what the truth is…

But really you can save yourself the time if you simply…FOLLOW THE MONEY…and think critically…the vaccine issue is just like dairy, we’ve all been misled.

BTW Science Based Medicine is simply Big Pharma astroturfing — they are pro-gmo and pro-dairy too. Also, here are the REAL facts on what happened to Dr Andrew Wakefield the supposedly discredited doc:
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http://vaxxedthemovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Who-is-Dr.-Andrew-Wakefield-by-Mary-Holland-JD.pdf
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It is important to read the real facts on this site, because the mainstream media would lose too many advertising dollars (from big pharma) if they told people the truth.

I am just now seeing this thread for the first time. I was a microbiologist working with Merck and Co Inc who believed that vaccines were the greatest success of modern medicine.
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I was a vegan BEFORE I became a mother, however, once I had children, doing what I believed best for THEM came my concerns for other beings. (Sorry but that’s the truth for me.)

But I do strongly believe in informed consent, and when I heard about some of the problems with vaccines, I spent a full year delving into the published science. This was long before the interent, so I spent a lot of time at the medical library, on the phone with then CDC and my old microbiology professors. I was shocked to not only find strong evidence, that vaccines were not as safe and effective as I had always been told, but that virtually every MD I then discussed what I was learning with, had far less awareness of what the science REALLY said than I did.

PLEASE — no matter what your credentials — if you have not taken the time to really examine this issue from the PRIMARY literature and see what the truth really is — and to talk with knowledgeable people who can explain how the studies have been manipulated by special interests, do not criticize those who have done this and are just trying to do what is best for their children!

If you really want to honestly look into this issue, look at the list that my name is linked to it is a great place to start — read the books and THEN look up their references for yourself — if you are open and honest, you will see what the truth is…

But really you can save yourself the time if you simply…FOLLOW THE MONEY…and think critically…the vaccine issue is just like dairy, we’ve all been misled.

BTW Science Based Medicine is simply Big Pharma astroturfing — they are pro-gmo and pro-dairy too.

Hey Bob, I think your mic was out towards the end of the show; we could only hear Dr Francione 🙁

yes you were a vegan as your shoes were wearing out.

that is what i call scavenger veganism. only type of meat eating possibly justifiable.

pedophilia is a different concept from rape and child abuse and exploitation, and other things. (it is still treated like a mental disease as homosexuality(which i personally do not like) was)(so, because of all the 19 year olds on parole or whatever, you sound ignorant(?) to me when you use that as an example all the time when talking about veganism.)

It is incomprehensible how humans rationalize cruelty and massmurder. The massmurder industry has successfully use this propaganda of “humane” “free range” “cage free” since the inception of the animal killing industries. Imagine if this was done to slavery or the holocaust?

Humans are truly evil and as long as they are told lies, even when they know they are lies, they will condone and participate in any atrocity.

Towards non human creatures, humans behave like parasites and psychopaths.

Yeb is currently the executive director of Greenpeace SOutheast asia, and it is surprising that they do not promote veganism. https://www.facebook.com/greenpeaceph/photos/a.431578711399.218998.48688071399/10154108566871400/?type=3&theater

They make people think it’s okay to buy animal products, and is not geared towards veganism

I am a big fan of your podcast. Like you I am amazed at how often people underestimate contribution of animal agriculture to greenhouse gases. I read the paper by Goodland and Ahbang and I thought their analysis was very reasonable.

I am a vegan cardiologist and I teach all my patients to go vegan.

Keep up the excellent work!

I am an endurance athlete that runs Spartan Races, looking forward to Toughest Mudder and The Worlds Toughest Mudder. I love the sound of this Lentein and can’t wait to buy it and try it. Is there a nutrition data profile that I can see?

I looked at Clean Machine and did not see how I could order.

Thanks and keep up the good work!

🙁 whats wrong they said they give to their vet for sterilization. thats wrong to do! so is animal testing.

programs like boxing and violent cartoons on dish subscribers should be gone or blocked. maybe most entertainment in this culture is violent at some level. struggle nearly always a theme.

i have vague sense the protests have made a difference though. i think if the animals want to manage their all own travel show, they should be able to do that. if they miss that. not saying they do, at least a lot of them would hate it.

thats no good the ranching. but on a different topic, it seems many of you all are city people. what if someone is standing for right to live in countryside, and they are not ranchers?

Such a great interview and then… BAM! You start talking nonsense again about “Chemtrails”. Even Francione seemed embarrassed. How am I supposed to refer friends to your show when you speak of such nonsense? And I can’t imagine you this helps non-vegans impression of vegans being nut-jobs. Pizza gate pedomania too, omg. Bob please focus on animal rights! You are wrong about these things, and please don’t reply and refer me to some internet documentary. But even if you were right, which you are not, please for the sake of all the people who will never believe this nonsense who are looking for holes in your thinking on animal rights will just write off all the valid stuff you cover.

when i think about all the people in the world and what they all are doing though i think if some, like young people, trying hard to make a difference in the world by having job that is somewhat positive, hey, they are not enemies! not if they are vegans. 🙂 what are their podcasts like? :-p i keep listening to goveganradio! (too). ..animals are not property.

what if you dont count the ocean data, then what does it say? good for you for sharing a different opinion. tell me though how many people are hurt in car accidents? also what about car exhaust, and pollution from factories, oil spills, and air planes? people ignore all of that and have very little respect or interest in science.

what does ‘core’ (or ‘court’?) ‘poor’ mean, at beginning of show?

concerning pesticides, ”certified organic” only means inorganic pesticides were not used. that is my current understanding, unless they all could change the certified organic guidelines. i wished there were a no pesticide label or something like that.

forced medical treatment of animals is still wrong, e.g.sterilization, killing, shots. and they advertise that on their site.

forced medical treatment of animals is wrong, e.g. sterilization, killing, shots. and they advertise that on their site.

what!? who was asking you to read that at beginning? fake news is a bad thing. fake news can kill. dont tell fake news goveganradio. why arrest people? thats no good. just expose the lies, like offender lists, and tell the truth. like for example bernie sanders said on nbc last spring they would consider arming muslims or whoever in the middle east. and you all want to adore them? third parties want to end war and were on the ballot in like ever state.

Bob you are wrong on vaccines causing autism. Not much I can say that hasn’t already been said on that episode by others. You really need to reexamine the science. You can disagree with vaccines because they are not vegan, but you are wrong about their safety profile and you’re support for anti-vaccine conspiracies. Ironically there’s a powerful parallel here with climate change denial. You listen to science there, yet you don’t with vaccines. The CDC cover-up conspiracy is not true. Please take a moment to read this extremely thorough analysis: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/08/22/brian-hooker-proves-andrew-wakefield-wrong-about-vaccines-and-autism/

wow, i actually think this protest about the money is very neat or interesting. it makes people think! we should not use money anyway. i would not work at a register but maybe some peoples thinking is ‘i will give you anything bad you want, i just wont accept any bad from you’? wah! 🙁 i am not aware about all these other products. when i find out i make a change. i know there are ”vegan” condoms which do not use something from animal in the manufacturing process.

but, cysteine can be from vegan source, or coal anyway. i find this frustrating when looking for tortillas and such, some other ingredients, glycerides? or the dough conditioners. sometimes i think if i have to call the company i just give up. …hope they come out with a label about pesticides.

oh, your talking about how pronounce the cheese, now i get it.

Also please read this before scare mongering about toxins in vaccines:

Toxic myths about vaccines

Bob, it’s as if you didn’t actually read the comments on that episode of your show: https://goveganradio.com/28-november-2016/
you know- the people that are upset. Your blog post here did not address their main points at all. I think it is important to consider what people are pointing out is wrong with your coverage featuring this anti-vaccine guy’s claims as factual. He is clearly wrong.

pedophilia refers to those with attraction to people outside of their age group, youre talking about child molestation. your rude sometimes boblinden. :-). you should talk about vegan pizza.

it is peoples(the individuals) right to chose this! (if you think not i can tell you where to stick the needle. you all have institutionalized child abuse.) has anyone ever died after a vaccine? do you think no one ever gets extremely sick after a vaccine?

Hello Bob! I just discovered your site & I’m so glad I did. I am a hard core vegan and I read your article “DxE Meet Hillary-When “Until Every Animal is Free” Is Spun Into Anti-Trump Rhetoric for the Clinton Campaign.” I completely agree that heartfelt and seemingly courageous “call to action” phrases are many times simply absurd. What does “Until Every Animal is Free” mean? It means nothing because no one can release all the billions of animals that have been unnaturally put on the planet. Where would they go? Where they are presently is causing a catastrophe. Setting them free would be an even bigger catastrophe. In all of man’s intelligence humanity has broken through every fail-safe that Mother Nature has strategically put in place. Those fail-safes will only fix what occurs naturally. Nature cannot fix the unnatural overpopulation of domestic animals. Nor can she fix an overpopulation of humans, whose only natural predator is death and since we have scientifically prolonged our lifespan we are literally killing the earth in terms of life as we know it. I have been a journalist for many years, but only recently started writing about animal cruelty on all fronts. When I heard that Tilikum was dying, over a year ago, I started looking into his life. I wrote an article on him that was published in VeganLife, UK. I will post it today on my site. However, you can read the uncut work on my site under “Animals in the News.”It has been updated since he died. The title is “The Sad Life of Tilikum is Over-He is Dead.” I burst into tears when I found out. The sad truth is he only lived two years of the life he should have had. I also wrote an article on Harambe. And I have many more. I have just written my first book, Virgil the Hound. It is based on a true story, about a foxhound that does not want to hunt foxes. It is written as an epic poem in rhyming quatrains. I want to get as many reviews from reputable people, such as you, before I launch. I would also be a great interview on your show. I have secured PETA and Beagle Freedom Project’s endorsements. I’m acquainted with Dr. Barnard. I met him at conference in LA. I will be reaching out to him today and many more. I would love to work with you and I’ll do it for nothing until I’m helping your station make money. I have so much to say and many times it has never been said, but it needs to be heard. I can get an interview with anyone and my questions are questions that no one else asks. I have just done an in depth interview with a Hall of Fame thoroughbred racehorse trainer that totally understands that there is cruelty in the industry and I wrote an article on him. Please read my article on Tilikum. Please contact me. And thank you, for all that you do.

Bob you need subtitles! Well I am not mother tongue speaker but normally do get everything but your geniously hilarious intro is just to filled with word games.and I’d LOVE to get them all!

Canada puts up slaughterhouse slaves in moldy trailer s in Alberta city Brooks,see their strike despite being temporary workers war refugees from Sudan etc,2 workers beat n left for dead in freezing ditch,Edmonton later dropped attempted murder charge vs CEO n other management who rammed I no n injured union leader,

Life means changes,even rocks change,so of course industries will change n convert to plants,hopefully to green leaves,esp. Lettuce trees,just like there’s 17% less medical students accepted into training now,slow change I know,but life is change,keep on n continue boycotting vaccines all are animal researched n tested on poor children. Mothers n prisoners,big appreciation for your show,will u cover children slaves in animal farms,w laws
Agriculture exemptions ,see article by ex child laborer,Reproducing Dominion,also child amputees societies etc,these are white,north America n slaving unpaid on relatives or foster parent farms

Clinton campaign paid by biggest meat Tyson,see Gail eisnitz book slaughterhouse,shocking story of greed etc,best big includes lots worker slaves interview s concerned about the animals they deal with,n info on Hillary,s windfall profits from investment in meats

Nobel invented a type of dynamite so the prize of course has to go to war promoters ,prize is money or gifts ,so who pays for this? bankers of wars